Manuscripts/Mixed Material Interview with Douglas G. Hartley
HARTLEY: There were certainly a lot of people being moved around within ARA, but that wasn't necessarily because ARA wanted it that way. I think, in part, it was because other people didn't really want to go to ARA. I felt that ARA and AF [African Affairs] were the two - the guys that whenever EUR [European Affairs] wanted to shuffle somebody off - EUR was the most desirable area - they would try to do this onto us and AF. I would often represent ARA at the panel meetings. But even more interesting was when I represented ARA at our own private meetings of the heads of the Bureau personnel, these being to discuss difficult placement problems. In those days, as you remember, there was a parallel personnel system, the bureaus versus Career Management or Career Manglement as we called it. They were meant to be more honest than us sharks in the bureaux.
Q: I was part of that at this time - from '67 to '69; I was doing consular officers with Larry Lawrence.
HARTLEY: I remember Larry very well and also Whitney - Jane Whitney. Larry was a fair person and easy to deal with. But within the confines of the bureau, we would really try to horse trade. You know the list to be assigned, which basically we called the Turkey List. These were the people that nobody basically wanted. But in the closed meetings of the heads of the bureau personnel, in which I participated fairly frequently, we had some actually totally hilarious sessions. These were some of the funniest moments of my Foreign Service career. I wish I could remember specifics, which I really can't, but it was where people really got down to the nitty-gritty; this was where you got the real lowdown on people, unless of course you were trying to fob somebody off onto another bureau. Nothing and nobody was sacred. This was so refreshing in an organization where everybody pussyfoots, always trying to be very nice and unoffending, but there you would call a spade a spade with no fear that what you said was going to be repeated. We had a varied group of people - from Dick Murphy in NEA [Near East and North African Affairs] to Bob Skiff in EA [East Asian Affairs] to Peter Spicer in AF. We had a lot of laughs, but we also knew that we would be the laughees just as soon as a new batch of personnel types replaced us.
My boss initially was Harry Weiner, who was then replaced by Joan Clark who went on to become the Director General of the Foreign Service. She had started off as a secretary in Belgrade with George Allen, who was the ambassador back in the early '50s. Joan was a tough woman, but a good person and very smart. In late 1969, Sheldon Krys, who had been an aide to the ambassador or something like that in London, came into ARA and took on what started as an overcomplement job, turned into my job and he eventually went on to become head of ARA personnel. Late he was an Assistant Secretary for AdministratioAnyway, I had in the meantime applied for the economic/ commercial course, a course given by FSI.