Audio Recording Interview H0206: with Lungshar, Chanju [lung shar byang 'chub], (India, 1981)

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Title
Interview H0206: with Lungshar, Chanju [lung shar byang 'chub], (India, 1981)
Contributor Names
Rinpoche, Gelek (interviewer)
Goldstein, Melvyn (interviewer)
Goldstein, Melvyn (editor)
Lungshar, Chanju [lung shar byang 'chub] -- b. ca. 1922 (interviewee)
Created / Published
Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio.
Notes
-  India (place of recording)
-  The interview was conducted and recorded in Tibetan and translated into English. (contents)
-  Interview in Tibetan.
-  This document is part of the Political History Collection of the Tibetan Oral History and Archive Project, edited by Melvyn Goldstein, and published by the Center for Research on Tibet, Department of Anthropology, Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio.
-  male (gender)
Form
sound recording
Extent
3 text files
3 digital audio files
Part 1: 62 min 54 s
Part 2: 62 min 54 s
Part 3: 15 min 21 s
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Description
Part 1: The interviewee was a lay official in the traditional Tibetan government and the son of the famous Tsipa Lungshar. He discusses in detail his father and the events surrounding the death of the 13th Dalai Lama in 1933. Part 2: The interviewee was a lay official in the traditional Tibetan government and the son of the famous Tsipa Lungshar. He discusses in detail his father and the events surrounding the death of the 13th Dalai Lama in 1933. Part 3: The interviewee was a lay official in the traditional Tibetan government and the son of the famous Tsipa Lungshar. He discusses in detail his father and the events surrounding the death of the 13th Dalai Lama in 1933. sound recording | 3 text files | 3 digital audio files | Part 1: 62 min 54 s | Part 2: 62 min 54 s | Part 3: 15 min 21 s | India (Place Of Recording). The interview was conducted and recorded in Tibetan and translated into English. (Contents). Interview in Tibetan. This document is part of the Political History Collection of the Tibetan Oral History and Archive Project, edited by Melvyn Goldstein, and published by the Center for Research on Tibet, Department of Anthropology, Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio. male (Gender). Sound Recording (Form). The days passed by, and then one day suddenly Kujar informed the Dalai Lama that he had collected all the Trungtsi here regarding the termination from government service and the arrest and confiscation of the property of Lungshar. Then, the Dalai Lama said, Thubten Kunphel what are you doing? How can you do such a thing? Lungshar had been serving the Tibetan Government with sincere dedication, so instead of giving him a reward now do we have to punish him? When he insisted that he had already collected all these important people here, I have already told you all this and you said ok ok, so how can I send them away now? The Dalai Lama further said, "This is totally impossible [meaning the arrest]. If there is no Lungshar, it is like I do not have my right hand. So send the Trungtsi back. It is a mistake to punish people on the basis of personal like and dislike [tin. dga' min dga' thogs]." So Kujar was very upset, but he could do nothing, so he asked them all to go back to their offices. The favorite (kujar) named Dechen Yingse [tib. bde chen dbyings gsal] told me that when the Dalai Lama said that, Kujar was so angry that he slammed the drawer loudly [in anger], but the Dalai Lama didn't change his view. Then the Dalai Lama said to Kujar that this is not only Lungshar, there are many other kudrak. Then Lungshar told 7 important officials like Sambo and Kusangtse to write seven comments on samtra and send them to the Dalai Lama, these included one from Lungshar himself. When they arrived the Dalai Lama told Kujar to seal the samtra and that we will open them after you return from Trapchi. Then they opened them and the Dalai Lama said [to Kujar], "Now you see there are so many differences of opinion. Then he said the saying, "If all the horses are equal, which will be the main horse. If all the men are equal, then who will do the servants work." [tib. rta dang rta 'dra na. chibs chen su byed/ mi dang mi 'dra na, mi g.yog sus rgyugs]. And then he added, "We can't manage without Lungshar. That was what the Dalai Lama told Kujar. After that, there was an incident where some soldiers fought with the Jigyab khenpo's servants. Then Kujar reported to the Dalai Lama that this was caused by Lungshar, and that is something terrible so you should demote Lungshar. There is some disturbance in Kham so you should send him there. The Dalai Lama, because of Kujar's insisting or because the Dalai Lama himself came to the conclusion himself, [tape is not clear and ends]. I don't know. Thanks.
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Rinpoche, Gelek, Melvyn Goldstein, Melvyn Goldstein, and Chanju Lung Shar Byang 'Chub Lungshar. [Interview H0206: with Lungshar, Chanju lung shar byang 'chub, India, 1981]. Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, 1981. Pdf. Retrieved from the Library of Congress, https://www.loc.gov/item/tohap.H0206/. (Accessed December 13, 2017.)

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Rinpoche, G., Goldstein, M., Goldstein, M. & Lungshar, C. L. S. B. '. (1981) [Interview H0206: with Lungshar, Chanju lung shar byang 'chub, India, 1981]. Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio. [Pdf] Retrieved from the Library of Congress, https://www.loc.gov/item/tohap.H0206/.

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Rinpoche, Gelek, et al. [Interview H0206: with Lungshar, Chanju lung shar byang 'chub, India, 1981]. Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, 1981. Pdf. Retrieved from the Library of Congress, <https://www.loc.gov/item/tohap.H0206/>.